all you need is the will to save this country, so please, please, please vote. thanks as always for watching. we'll be back, back at it tomorrow, on "the reid out." have a good night. this is an nbc news special presentation of "today" with savannah guthrie. >> tonight donald trump in the arena. his first primetime network appearance since falling ill with coronavirus. >> i'm feeling great. i don't know about you. how's everyone feeling? >> with tonight's debate canceled, the president faces our questions live and hears from voters about their concerns in the battleground state of florida. >> it's great to be back in my home state, florida, to make my official return to the campaign trail. >> with just 19 days to go, the president makes his case. >> my goal is to fight for you

and fight for your family. from nbc news, decision 2020. president trump town hall live from the perez art museum in miami. here's savannah guthrie. >> hi, everybody. good evening. good to have you with us and welcome to miami in our town hall with president donald trump. we want to say off the top, this is not how things were supposed to go tonight. this was supposed to be a town hall debate between donald trump and joe biden but after the president contracted covid, the debate commission announced it would have to be a virtual debate because of health concerns. the president then said he would not participate in a virtual debate. at that point joe biden scheduled a town hall and now the president is doing his same. the two candidates go head to head tonight, though not face to face, each in a key battleground state. tonight the president will be

taking questions from voters here in miami who we should mention are socially distanced and wearing masks. this audience looks a bit like america, divided. some here voted for the president in 2016 and plan to again. some support joe biden and some are truly undecided. we'll get a mix of questions on a variety of topics. with all that adieu, welcome, mr. president. thank you for being here. >> very well stated, i have to say. good job. >> thank you. we're glad you're here. we're glad you're well. please send our best to the first lady and to the baron. >> do you have any remaining symptoms? >> nothing whatsoever. i'm great. i'm good. i was in north carolina and did a big rally. tremendous turn toout. pennsylvania, florida, all over the place. >> you have the most severe form of the disease. did you have pneumonia? >> well, i'll tell you what

happened. i didn't feel good. i didn't feel strong. i had a little bit of a temperature. the doctors at the white house are fantastic as you can imagine. they really didn't want to take a chance and they said let's go to the hospital. we went over to walter reed and had tremendous professionals. regeneron and remdesivir both. i just -- all i know is the following day i felt really good. >> did the doctors ever tell you that they saw pneumonia on your lung scans? >> no, they said the lungs are a little bit different, perhaps infected and -- >> infected with? >> i don't know. i didn't do too much asking. i really felt good. i didn't have much of a problem with the lungs. did i have a little bit of a temperature. obviously i felt there was something missing and then i tested. you know, i tested positive. >> let's talk about testing because there's a little bit of a, my guess confusion about this, i think we can clear it up.

>> there shouldn't be. >> your first positive test was thursday, october 1st, okay? when was your last negative test? when did you last remember having a negative test? >> well, i test quite a bit and i can tell you that before the debate, which i thought it was a very good debate and i felt fantastically, i had no problem before -- >> did you test the day of the debate? >> i don't know. i don't remember. i test all the time. i can tell you this. after the debate, like i guess a day or so, i think it was thursday evening, maybe even late thursday evening, i tested positive. that's when i first found out about it. >> back to the debate. it was the honor system would be that you would come with a negative test. you say you don't know if you got a test on the day of the debate. >> the doctors do it. i don't ask them. i test all the time. >> did you take a test on the day of the debate. >> if you ask the doctor, they'll -- >> did you take a test on the day of the debate? >> i probably did and i took a

test the day before and the day before. i was always in great shape and i was in great shape for the debate and it was only after the debate like a period of time after the debate that i said, that's interesting and i tested positive. >> just to button it up? do you take a test every single day? >> no. i take a lot of tests. >> did you take a test the day of the debate? >> possibly i did, possibly i didn't. the doctor has very accurate information. if you are president, you have a lot of doctors you're surrounded by. i was in great shape for the debate and sometime after the debate i tested positive. >> let's talk about -- >> that's when they decided to let us know. >> i hopefully provided some clarity for folks. let's talk about the event that was held at the white house on the saturday before you tested positive. subsequent to that 13 people connected to that event tested positive. there was an outdoor reception. you've seen the pictures. there was an indoor reception.

people were not wearing masks. my question to you is at this point in the pandemic knowing what we know, shouldn't you have known better? shouldn't the white house know better than to hold an event like that? >> they do a lot of testing in the white house including me. they test everybody. something happened but as far as the mask is concerned, i'm good with masks. i'm okay with masks. just the other day they came out with a statement that 85% of the people that wear masks catch it. >> they didn't say that. i know that study. >> that's what i heard. >> everybody is tested often. i also knew that, hey, i'm president. i have to see people. i can't be in a basement. i can't be in a room. i can't be -- >> i can be out. >> you can see people with a mask, right? >> i can. people with masks are catching it all the time. if you look at the governor of virginia, he was known for a mask. tom tillis, a great guy, they

caught it. >> there are pictures of tom tillis with judge barrett's kids not wearing a mask. chris christie part of your debate prep. he came out tonight. he was sick, very sick in the hospital for a week. >> yes. >> he came out tonight and said, i was wrong not to wear a mask. >> well, i mean, he has to say that. i think it's great. he's a friend of mine. he's a good guy. wrong or not wrong, you have to understand, as president i can't be locked in a room someplace for the next year and just stay and do nothing. and every time i go into a crowd i was with the parents of our fallen heroes. these people are the most incredible people and they came up to me and they would hug me and they would touch me and i'm not going to not let them do it. >> now there was an event with the gold star families the day after the supreme court event. >> gold star event with the most incredible people you've ever seen. and i could have chosen not to talk to them or to keep everybody away and you know

what? i don't think that's probably where it was caught, but maybe it was. >> you bring it up. you brought it up yourself. are you trying to suggest that? do you believe a grieving military family gave you covid? >> no, i don't know where it came from. you don't know where it came from. the doctors don't know where it came from. as the president i have to be out there -- >> there's no one who says it can't be out there. your rallies don't require masks. >> let's see kamala. she has people now. people have it. i'm not blaming her. i'm not saying, oh, she did a terrible thing. as president i have to be out there. i can't be in a basement. i can't be locked in a very beautiful room someplace in the white house. i want to see the gold star families. i want to see everybody. i also say to people all the time, it's risky doing it. it is risky doing it. >> you're right. you want to be a leader, but you also are a leader and a setter of an example and if you're not wearing a mask when your administration is saying best practice is wearing a mask, no,

it's not fool proof. >> many people are getting this disease that was sent to us by china and it shouldn't have been allowed to happen. many people are getting this. nobody's being blamed. everybody is working hard to get this thing out of our country, get it out of the world. look at what's going on in europe. massive spikes. they've done a very good job. you take a look at the u.k., you take a look at spain, france, italy. there's tremendous spikes. >> they will not -- >> i have things right here that will tell you exactly the opposite. >> me, too. >> the u.k. is up 2500%. i knew you would be doing this. i know you very well. u.k. is up 2500%. empt u. is up 720% and the united states is down 21%. >> our deaths per capita is among the highest. >> mortality we're a winner. excess mortality and what we've done has been amazing and we have done an amazing job and

it's rounding the corner and we have the vaccines coming and the therapies coming. i'll tell you what, one thing when i got it, i had a choice, do nothing or use some of the things that we're looking at, in this case regeneron. eli lilly makes something that's supposed to be incredible. i think that maybe i wouldn't be doing this discussion with you right now. we have therapies and cures. you can use the word cure. we have therapies that are absolutely incredible. >> i want to pick up something. you said we're rounding the corner. >> i believe we're rounding the corner. >> 10% of the country has had covid. that means 80, 90%, let's do the math, is still vulnerable. >> right. >> there's been some talk from the white house perhaps it improves herd immunity. you let young people and everybody get sick, you try to protect the old people and those who are sick and hopefully it gets up to a certain level and now we're all immune.

>> yes. >> let's be clear about it. it means more death. do you support herd immunity as a strategy, essentially let people get sick? >> the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself. we did the right thing. we were expected to lose 2 million people. we are at 210,000. it should never have happened because of china. it happened because of china and you have to get that and understand that, but it shouldn't have happened. we were expected to lose -- if you look at the original charts from original doctors who are respected by everybody, 2 million 200,000. >> that 2 million figure is if you did nothing. that's if you did absolutely nothing it would be 2 million. the question is should the deaths be better than 200,000 when relative to the rest of the world we have the worst death rate. >> i left north carolina which i love. i left pennsylvania.

we won a big case in michigan because that governor has a lockdown where nobody but her husband can do anything. he can go boating and do whatever he wants but nobody else can. the fact is we're winning all of these cases because it's unconstitutional what they're doing. i think they're doing it for political reasons. the fact is, the cure -- you can't let this continue to go on with the lockdowns. >> most of the states -- >> on november 4th, you're going to have a lot of governors -- new york is a mess. they lost almost 40,000 people. they have a lockdown like you've never seen. now they're open. it's like a ghost town. savannah, it's very gloomy. people are leaving new york by the thousands and you're going to have a hard time ever building it up again. that so-called cure, it can't be worse than the problem. the problem is a bad problem. >> we have more questions on covid so let's drop it. we were supposed to be watching

you on a debate stage right now. we're not doing that so let's clear up a few things from the last one. you were asked point blank to denounce white supremacy. in the moment you didn't. you asked some follow-up questions, who specifically? a couple of days later on a different show you denounced white supremacy. >> you always do this. you've done this to me. i denounced white supremacy. >> you did two days later. >> i denounced white supremacy. you always start off with the question. you didn't ask joe biden whether he denounces antifa. he was asking questions like biden was a child. >> well, so -- >> are you listening? i denounce white supremacy. >> it feels sometimes you're hesitant to do so. >> here we go again. my people came, i'm sure they'll ask you the white supremacy question. i denounce white supremacy.

frankly, i denounce antifa and the people on the left burning down our cities. >> while we're denouncing, let me ask you about qanon. it is this theory that democrats are a say tan anything pedophile ring and that you are the savior of that. can you just once and for allstate that that is completely not true? and disavow qanon in its entirety? >> i know nothing about qanon. >> i just told you. >> you told me but what you tell me doesn't necessarily make it fact i hate to say that. i know nothing about it. i do know they are very much against pedophilia. they fight it very hard but i know nothing about it. >> they believe it is a satanic cult run by the united states. >> i know about antifa and the radical left and i know how violent and vicious they are and i know how they are burning down

cities -- >> republican ben sass said qanon is nuts and real leaders call conspiracy theories conspiracy theories. why not say it's crazy and not true. >> he may be right. i don't know about qanon. >> you do know. >> let's waste a whole show. you start off with white supremacy. i denounce it. you start off with something else. let's go. keep asking me these questions. >> i do have one more. >> let me tell you what i do hear about it is they are very strongly against pedophilia. i agree with that. i do agree with that. >> there's not a satanic pedophile cult? you don't know that? >> no, i don't know that. neither do you know that. why aren't you asking me about antifa? why aren't you asking me about the radical left? why aren't you asking joe biden questions about why doesn't he condemn antifa?

>> because you're here. >> so cute. antifa exists. they're vicious. they're violent. they kill people and they're burning down our cities and they happen to be radical left. >> just this week you retweeted to your 87 million followers a conspiracy theory that joe biden orchestrated to have navy s.e.a.l. team 6 killed to cover up the fake death of bin laden. why would you send a message to your followers. >> that was a retweet. >> you retweeted it. >> that was an opinion of somebody and that was a retweet. i'll put it out there. >> i don't get that. you're the president. you're not like someone's crazy uncle who can retweet whatever. >> that was a retweet. i do a lot of retweets. frankly because the media is so fake and so corrupt. if i didn't have social media, i don't quale it twitter, i wouldn't be able to get the word out. >> the word is false. >> the word is very simple, we're building our country stronger and better than it's

ever been before and that's what's happening and everybody knows it. >> okay. we've got a bunch of questions for you. >> winning in a lot of states. winning in a lot of states. >> i'm glad you brought up the election because i do want to ask about that. that's another leftover item. a lot of people have ask you will you accept a peaceful transfer of power. you have said the only way we lose this election is if it is rigged. that is simply not true. the fact is either candidate can lose fair and square without ballot fraud. >> win or lose, that's the way i want it to be but when i see thousands of ballots, right, unsolicited ballots being given out by the millions and thousands of them are dumped in dumpsters and when you see ballots with the name trump, military ballots from our great military and they're -- >> that is a handful. we could go all night one by one, a single case. you're talking about 150 million votes, your own fbi director

says there is no evidence of widespread fraud. >> oh, really? then he's not doing a very good job. all you have to do is pick up the papers every day. 50,000 in ohio, the great state of ohio. 50,000 in another location, i think north carolina. 500,000 applications in virginia. no, no, there's a tremendous problem. let me just tell you, they talked about the peaceful transfer, right? they spied on my campaign and they got caught and they spied heavily on my campaign and they tried to take down a duly elected sitting president and then they talk about, will you accept a peaceful transfer? and the answer is, yes, i will, but i want it to be an honest election and so does everybody else. when i see thousands of ballots dumped in a garbage can and they happen to have my name on it, i'm not happy about it. >> there is no evidence of widespread fraud and you are so in doubt about a democracy.

>> you do read newspapers and you watch the news. >> i do. >> every day they're talking about ballots that are corrupt, that are fraudulent. >> and millions that are being processed right now. >> sure. sure. you can win a race. take a look at me, you can win a race by 1%. >> why are you laying the groundwork for that? my husband and i say my ankle is hurting -- >> i don't want that to happen. savannah, i want it to be clean. i really think i'm going o win, but i want this to be clean. it's sort of ironic that you and them talk about the peaceful transfer when i spent 3 1/2 years fighting off these maniacs and now it turns out, everything's there, that they were the ones that dealt with russia and it's too bad. >> okay. >> peaceful transfer, i absolutely want that, but ideally i don't want a transfer, i want to win. >> your words will probably reassure some foets. we have jaclyn lugo. i told you this audience is

truly split between y'all. you're leaning biden. she's registered as an independent. what's your question for the president? hold the mike up close. >> good evening. >> how are you? >> welcome to miami. >> thank you very much. it's beautiful. >> mr. president, if you knew covid-19, as you told bob woodward in february -- >> as what? >> as you told bob woodward in february was airborne and deadlier than the flu, why did you only put in place a travel ban from china and not put in place other measures mitigating the spread of covid-19 potentially saving tens of thousands of american lives. >> well, i did put it in very early as you know. joe biden was two months behind me. he called me xenophobic and racist and everything else because i pull the it in. it turned out i was right. i put it on europe very early

because i saw there was a lot of infection in europe. it's an amazing question. i appreciate the question and respect the question, but the news doesn't get out the right answer because i put on a travel ban far earlier than dr. fauci thought it was necessary, who i like. far earlier than the scientists. i was actually the only one that wanted to put it on and i did it actually against the advice of a lot of people, including nancy pelosi, who had no clue what she was doing and biden. when i put on the travel ban, you know, i put it on in january, the end of january. when i put on the travel ban joe biden and others said, this is ridiculous. you don't do that. well, dr. fauci said i saved thousands and thousands of lives. i was early -- i was extremely early when i put on the travel ban. >> did your national security advisor on january 28th warn you that this would be the greatest national security risk of your administration? >> no. >> i read it. >> i read it someplace.

maybe woodward said it or something, no, he did not say it. but i knew it was a big threat. at the same time, i don't want to panic this country. i don't want to go out and say, everybody's going to die. >> you don't have to but -- >> no. no. no. you have to be safe. you have to be vigilant and you have to be smart. >> you're going to like this next couple of voters. a mom and daughter. mom barbara is voting for you. her daughter will vote for the first time in a presidential campaign and she is leaning biden. imagine the dinner table at their house. barbara, why don't you go first and ask your question. >> mr. trump, as a front line e.r. doctor working through the coronavirus pandemic i know firsthand and i've seen that many hospitals throughout the united states are suffering financial hardships. these economic effects are trickling down to the front line workers. >> you're right. >> we are being across the

country, front line workers are being fired, furloughed, our salaries are being cut. this is happening in other economic sectors, travel industry, hospitality. >> right. >> my question to you is, how are you going to get the united states back on track, both in terms of the economy and the pandemic? >> so it's just happening. we just set a report, 11.3 million jobs. we will have a phenomenal announcement on november 1st. we'll have a tremendous announcement i believe. we'll find out. gdp going through the roof. jobs, real estate, houses, so many things happening. people were saying we're going to have 42% unemployment. look, this was a thing that came into our country and it happened 100 -- more than 100 years ago and it happened now. they were talking about a 42% unemployment rate. >> who was talking about that? i heard 20%. >> 7.8% unemployment and people

can't even believe it. our economy is going to be next year if we don't have somebody who raises tackles, our economy is going to be phenomenal next year. savannah, we had the greatest economy in the history of our country last year, including the state of florida where we are now, north carolina, we had the greatest economy we ever had. we had to close it down. we saved 2 million lives. we're opening it up. we have a v shape and it's coming back. coming back really fast. we helped the hospitals. we've sent billions and billions of dollars to the hospitals. in addition, hundreds of millions of masks and gowns and we went into the ventilator business because this country was not equipped for ventilators. i'm not blaming anybody for it. we are making thousands of ventilators a month.

we're sending them all over the world because the world needs them. they've worked very hard and very, very effectively. thank you, great question. >> let's talk to isabella. put the mike close to your mouth. >> mr. president, my parents are, as you heard, both front line health care workers and i have seen the physical and mental toll that this pandemic has taken on them firsthand as well as the exacerbation of coronavirus. after contracting covid-19 yourself, has your opinion changed on the importance of mask wearing? >> no, because i was okay with the masks. i was good with it, but i've heard many different stories on masks. i had -- being president, you had people, they bring meals, i had an instance recently where a very wonderful person is bringing me a meal, he's playing with his mask, touching his mask all over the place in. i don't know if that's so good. the good news, i didn't eat it. i decided not to eat it. this was a month ago.

look, you have from the masks -- you have two stories. you have a story where they want, a story where they don't want. >> i don't get that because all of your public health officials, your administration, they're in unison about this. they're all in unison about it. university of washington, which is a -- they have a model that your coronavirus task force relies on. if everyone wore masks they could -- >> scott atkins -- if you look at dr. scott, he's from -- great guy, stanford. >> he's not an infectious disease expert. >> look, he's an expert. he's one of the great experts of the world. >> i don't get it, you have so much power and influence. you could say everyone put on the mask and the university says you can save lives. >> washington says one thing. dr. fauci said don't wear a mask. >> at first but everybody

agreed. >> then he changed his mind. then you have a report coming out two days ago that 85% of the people wearing masks -- >> i looked at that. it was not about mask wearing. >> we're on the same side. i say wear the mask. we're on the same side. >> let's take a break. more questions right after this. at t-mobile, we believe access to the internet equals opportunity. and now that t-mobile has merged with sprint, we're using our new scale to make a difference. with the expanded capacity of our network we're launching the most ambitious program in our history. project 10 million. we've committed to help close the homework gap

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we're back. live in miami with president trump for a town hall. live in miami with president trump for a town hall. thank you very much, mr. president. kristie alonzo. she is leaning slightly towards you. >> good. >> she voted for you in 2016. take the mask off. hold the mike close and let's hear your question. >> thank you for your service, mr. president. >> thank you very much. >> we're a hard working middle

class family of four. my husband and i are both self-employed. we have to get our own individual health care. as you know, health care costs have gone up considerably over the decades and you had originally said you were going to repeal and replace obamacare. what is your plan now in 2020 to make health care costs affordable for americans like myself? >> so we got rid of the individual mandate on obamacare which was the worst part of obamacare and now you can actually say it's not obamacare because that's how big it was where you had to pay a fortune for not having bad health insurance. we got rid of that. by doing that, we will always have -- by the way, we're always protecting people with pre-existing conditions, and i can't say that more strongly. but we've been able to bring health care costs way down. now i took over obamacare. got rid of the individual mandate. made it good. managed it. they had the $5 billion website

disaster and all of the problems they had. the problem with obamacare, it's not good. we'd like to terminate it and we want a much less expensive health care that's a much better health care and that's where we're aiming. and if we can do that, and we have a very good chance of doing it, but we've also brought down the price of obamacare. problem with obamacare, it basically is never going to be great and i want to give great health care. >> mr. president, i have a follow up with the pre-existing condition. it is a big issue for voters. >> big issue for me. >> in point of fact, you're going to the supreme court to throw out the rest of obamacare which includes the pre-existing conditions. >> that's right. >> your administration is in there trying to get rid of it. >> in order to replace with a much better health care at a much lower price and always under all circumstances we are going to protect -- the republicans, maybe i changed the party a lot over the last three

years, but we will protect people with pre-existing conditions. savannah, what i want to do, get rid of the terrible obamacare. i've already done it to a large extent because as you know the individual mandate is gone. that was the worst part. >> repealed but you haven't replaced. you've been in office almost four years. >> no. what we have done -- >> you've had both houses of congress, senate and house in republican hands and there is not a replacement yet. >> that's right. if you look, i'm sorry, we had both houses. we got rid of the individual mandate. >> your promise was repeal and replace. >> we should be on the same side. i'm going to put it very simple. we would like to terminate it and replace it with something much less expensive and much better. we will always protect people with existing conditions. >> if you are successful in court, that will be gone. >> if we don't succeed, we are running the remnants of whatever is left because we took it apart. we are running the remnants of

whatever is left much better than the previous administration, which ran is very badly. but we'd like to have new health care, much better and much less expensive. >> let me get to question number five and you'll like this. he's stuck in traffic. his name is joe white. he is registered as a democrat. he says he's leaning towards biden and voted for hillary clinton in 2016. his question was a second stimulus payment has been broadly agreed upon and now we're in october and it's still not passed. why not use your office to make this a separate targeted emergency relief package to help americans weather the pandemic. >> we've passed three, we're on our fourth. i agree with him 100%. he should vote for me. the problem you have is nancy pelosi. she couldn't care less about the worker. she couldn't care about our people. i want a stimulus. the republicans want to approve a stimulus. she doesn't want to do it because she thinks it's bad for her election.

the fact is, she's wrong. she's in our way. she's not approving it. she doesn't appreciate our people and she doesn't appreciate at all our workers. nancy pelosi, we are ready to sign and -- >> people do not love the back and forth of washington but this has been a roller coaster. back in early october you one day tweeted, no more negotiations until election -- until after election day, i'm walking away. the next couple of days you said maybe we can do something targeted. >> that's right. >> then you said i want a big, big bill. thein sein nate republicans said, no, we're not for that. you're the big deal maker. >> did you ever heard the word called negotiation? we're negotiating, okay? >> people's lives are hanging in the balance. >> you know who i'm negotiating against? nancy pelosi. she doesn't want to give the money. this was not our people's fault. this was china's fault and she's

penalizing our people. i'm ready to sign a big, beautiful stimulus. you saw the other day, go big or go home. >> that's what i saw. >> i want it -- >> are senate republicans going to go with you, with a big, bold number. >> so far they have not. >> i haven't asked them to because i can't get through nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi and i through my representatives or directly, i don't care, if we agree to something, the republicans will agree to it. >> okay. our next question comes from -- this is interesting. she voted for clinton in 2016 but recently changed her registration from democrat to independent. she said she's truly undecided. her name is becky lightman. hello, becky. what's your question? >> how are you? >> i'm great. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> corporate tax rates are a hot button issue and you have cut corporate tax rates. your opponent, joe biden, is planning to raise them. >> right. >> a lot of americans think

corporations don't pay their share of taxes and want to see those tax rates increase. what do you say to those americans to maybe tell them why you want the corporate tax rate lower and why that helps them. >> it's a great question. we've created more jobs than this country has ever created. we were up to 160 million jobs. we were never close to that number. we were just hitting 160 million jobs. companies are pouring into our nation because of the tax rate and if biden comes in and raises taxes on everybody, including middle income taxes which he wants to do, you will blow this thing and you'll end up with a depression the likes of which you've never had. that's what's going to happen. the reason we're coming back so strongly is because we built a very strong foundation. companies are moving in. car companies are moving into michigan, into ohio, into south carolina and north carolina just today. so what's happening is they're coming in because we reduced the taxes. our taxes -- our corporate talks were the highest in the world and now they're among the lower

taxes. they're not the lowest, but they're among the lowest. and what that means is jobs. but also we're doing a very big and we've done a very big middle income taxes. if we get in, we're going to do the middle income package. great question. if he comes in and raises taxes, all of those companies will leave the u.s. so fast your head will spin. we can't let that happen. >> on the subject of taxes, as you know, "the new york times" has obtained it says years of your tax returns among other things. it says you've had debts of approximately $421 million that you have personally guaranteed and that will come due in the next four years. the question is on behalf of voters, who do you owe $421 million to? >> what they did is illegal, number one. also, the numbers are all wrong with the numbers that were released. just so you understand, when you have a lot of real estate, i have a real estate, you know a lot of it. right down the road, doral.

big stuff. great stuff. i'm very under -- when i decided to run, i'm very under levered fortunately. i'm very under levered. i have a very, very small percentage of debt compared -- in fact, some of it i did as favors to institutions that wanted to loan me money. $400 million compared to the assets that i have, all of these great properties all over the world, i don't love what's happening to san francisco. >> it sounds like $400 million isn't that much. are you confirming that, yes, you do owe some $400 million? >> what i'm saying is it's a tiny percentage of my net worth. >> that sounds like yes. >> you'll see that soon because we're doing things. you know, we've given i think it's 108 or 112 pages of financial detail to elections and, you know, we have to file as the president, as any politician, you have to file. nobody ever looks at that. when they do they see how

incredible the company is. i owe a very, very small -- it's called mortgages. people have houses -- >> any foreign bank in any foreign entity? >> not that i know of but i will probably because it's so easy to solve. i will let you know who -- who i owe whatever small amount of money. i want to say two things. number one, it's a very small amount of money. number two, it's very straight. very, very straight. did you ever hear the expression under levered? >> yeah. >> i am extremely under levered. >> you could clear this up tonight by releasing your tax returns yourself. i think people -- >> i'm under audit. it turned out -- >> the irs says you are under audit. >> you accused me of not being under audit. >> i did not. >> other people at nbc and i am under audit.

>> you are. >> i am under audit. no person in their right mind would release prior to working out their deal. they treat me very, very badly. people from previous administrations treat me very badly. we're under awe dudit. you saw what they did with the tea party people. >> there is no law or rule that prohibits you from releasing your tax returns. >> no, except common sense and intelligence and having lawyers that say -- i would love to release them and as soon as we come to a conclusion, i will release them. if you go to elections, you'll see 112, 112, it talks about the coin income, which is rather

massive. people went there, all the reporters went there. this was like a feeding frenzy. i file it every year. i update it every year. my son is here. they run the company. i don't run the company. >> it also said you paid $750 in taxes in the year you were elected. was that crew? >> it's a statutory number? >> is that true? >> i think that's a filing number. most people here probably pay more. >> i can tell you this, if they have my tax returns as you know, they have to go to jail. it's illegal. the numbers are wrong. let me tell you what else. i don't owe money to any sinister people. russia, russia, russia is a hoax. it turned out hillary clinton and the democrats were dealing with russia, not me. it's a whole hoax. so i would not mind at all saying who it is, but it's a very small -- when you look at vast properties like i have, and they're big and they're beautiful and they're well

located. when you look at that, the amount of money, $400 million, peanut, extremely under levered and it's levered with normal banks. not a big deal. >> let's take a break and we'll get more voter questions right after this. i was just a regular high school girl... who swapped bodies with a serial killer. he's wearing my face. he's like a wolf in sheep's clothing. i want my body back. come and get it. great, we're gonna get killed by murder barbie. are you sure this is safe? -no. i can't wait to kill you. you're black. i'm gay. we are so dead. freaky, right?

more dangerous and corrupt president than trump. he's harming our basic values, giving rise to hate, and he's selling out america to big corporations.

i'm working to protect immigrants, women, communities of color, and lgbtq people. and i'm making corporations like pg&e and insurance companies play by our rules. we need experienced leadership to wipe away trump's stain on america for good.

we are live in miami in the middle of a town haul with president trump. thank you again for being here. >> thank you. >> another voter, adam sugar.

he voted for clinton in 2016. registered democrat. he's voting for biden. take it away. >> thank you. >> four years ago senate leadership said it was inappropriate to push through a nominee. yet they fast tracked your nominee for the supreme court just today. the question i have for you is how do you -- what do you say to the voter that thinks it's hypocritical to act in that manner and that they can't trust republicans' word? >> so when i was elected and when a president is elected they're elected for a period of four years and justice ginsberg said it best, i think talking about president obama having to do with somebody else, that the president is put there for four years not for three years. during this fourth year it happened to come up unfortunately because i had great respect for justice ginsberg, but a vacancy happened to come up and we picked somebody that's outstanding. she has been an absolute star. and i'm extremely proud of it

but, again, plenty of time. i mean, there's plenty of time. we also have much time after the election but there's no reason to wait because it's almost unanimous it seems to me certainly within the republican party and frankly most of the democrats within closed rooms, i guarantee you that. this is an outstanding person. i'm using my fourth term. you know, if you look at it and you put the shoe on the other foot, if they had this, they would do it 100%. there's been 29 times when this has happened, all 29 times a president has done exactly what i've done. >> to the voter's point i'll say in 2016 you were on another show, another morning show and you were asked whether president obama should nominate a supreme court justice merit garland and you said i think the senate should wait until the next president and let the president pick. that was eight months before the election. this is three weeks before the election. you have changed your position on this. >> i have a lot of respect for

judge garland, i want to tell you that. the whole ball game changed when i saw the way they treated justice kavanaugh. i have never seen any human being, i'm not just talking about supreme court, i have never seen a human being treated so badly with false accusations and everything else. i have never seen anything like it. you know what the truth is, savannah, like it or not, the ball game changed a lot. there has never been anybody treated so badly as now justice kavanaugh. >> you mentioned you would like to see amy coney barrett confirmed to the supreme court in case any challenges come up in connection with the election? >> yeah. >> do you expect her to rule for you? >> i think she'll have to make that decision. i don't think she has any conflict at all. supreme court judge does not have -- i mean, they can make their own decision. the -- they actually have additional power to make that decision. it would be totally up to her. i would think that she would be

able to rule either for me or against me. i don't see any conflict whatsoever. we have an election coming up. i think it's the most important election in the history of our country. if for any chance it probably won't, i hope it doesn't get to the i would think that she would rule one way or the other. i would think so. >> but for you? you think she would rule for you? >> i have no idea. >> of course she'll rule one way or the other. >> believe it or not, i never asked her about it. i never talked about it. i didn't talk about any of the obvious things that you could talk about, and i think a lot of people in my position might. but in speaking to a lot of very brilliant people and people that do this for a living, they say it's better not to talk. so i talked to her about life. i talked to her about the fact, would you like to do this? are you willing to do this? because it's a tremendous burden. the answer was yes. she's unbelievably well qualified, but i never spoke to her about these various questions. >> let's get our next voter. she's leaning to you, mr. president. she voted for you in 2016.

she is a registered republican. her name is mariah green. mariah, what's your question? >> thank you very much. >> good evening, mr. president. i'm honored to be with you here tonight, sir, so thank you. i'm a pro-life millennial, and my question for you today is if roe v. wade is ultimately overturned in the future, what protections would be put in place or kept to where the mother's life is in jeopardy in relation to high-risk pregnancies? >> again, i'm not ruling on this, and roe v. wade is a lot of people that something would say -- a lot of people would would say -- justice gorsuch and justice kavanaugh, i never spoke to them about roe v. wade. i never spoke to them about election laws. and i've done the right thing from a moral standpoint. i don't even know from a legal standpoint, but it was the right thing. i think depending on what happens with roe v. wade, i think that perhaps it could get sent down to the states and the

states would decide. i also think perhaps nothing will happen. i have not talked to her about it. i think it would be inappropriate to talk to her about it. and some people would say you can talk to her about it. i just think it would be inappropriate. >> what is your preference because, agreed, that's not something you should talk to the judge about. but what you like to see roe v. wade overturned? >> i would like to see a brilliant jurist, a brilliant person who has done this in great depth and has actually started this issue for a long time make a decision, and that's why i chose her. i think that she's going to make a great decision. i did not tell her what decision to make, and i think it would be inappropriate to say right now because i don't want to do anything to influence her. i want her to get approved, and then i want her to go by the law. and i know she's going to make a great decision for our country along with the other -- >> -- most pro-life republicans would like to see roe v. wade overturned and abortion banned.

>> many of them would. perhaps most of them would. i am telling you i don't want to do anything to influence anything right now. i don't want to go out tomorrow and say, oh, he's trying to give her a signal because i didn't speak to her about it. i've done the right thing in so doing. how she's going to rule, you're going to find out perhaps, or you might not find out. i mean it may never get there. it may never get there. we'll see what happens. >> all right. we have another question. this is cindy velez. she is undecided. she said she's leaning to biden and she did vote for clinton in 2016. she's registered as a democrat. what's your question? >> cindy, thank you. >> good evening, mr. president. >> thank you very much. >> as the mother of a young male of color, i have reason to respect authority, not only because it's the right thing to do but also out of fear that he may face profiling or be considered a criminal. as an educator, i've also had similar conversations with my high school students. mr. president, what will you and your administration do to better

prepare our law enforcement officers to work in collaboration with the communities that they serve and also to protect the lives of innocent black and latinos from police brutality and injustice? >> right. i fully understand the question, and i saw everything that you saw over the summer, and it was a terrible thing, a terrible thing to watch. we're very strongly -- we have a senator named tim scott from south carolina. he came up with a bill that should have been approved. it was great. it was a bill that was strong in terms of law enforcement and strong in terms of enforcing the proper thing and doing the proper thing by law enforcement. and the democrats just wouldn't go for it. they wouldn't go for it at all. and i don't know why because it was a really great bill. but i do have to say this, and some people don't like it when i say it, but a lot of people agree. i have done more for the african-american community than any president with the exception of abraham lincoln. criminal justice reform, prison

reform, historically black colleges and universities. i got them funded. they were on a year to year basis. they could have been put out of business as soon as our country had a little bad year. they would have said, i'm sorry, we're not going to fund you. i got them ten-year funding and financing and more than they asked for. i became very friendly with a lot of the heads. but we've done more and of course opportunity zones. but criminal justice reform, everybody said it could not be done. president obama and biden never even tried to do it. they never even tried. but i say that, and i say it auftd. i'll say it loud, and i'm very proud of it. and i have a great relationship because of what i've done with the african-american community. i'm very proud of it. >> let's go to our next question. we have paulette dale. she leans slightly to biden. she voted for clinton in 2016. she's registered as a republican. paulette, what's your question? >> good evening, mr. president. i have to say, you have a great smile. >> gotcha. thank you. >> he does.

you're so handsome when you smile. okay. as the daughter of immigrants to the united states who fled eastern europe due to religious persecution -- >> right. >> -- the united states immigration policies are very personal for me. >> right. >> surveys show that most americans and the majority of republicans support the dreamers program. so my question for you, mr. president, is if you are elected to a second term, do you expect to pursue your previous efforts to cut the daca program? >> yeah. >> why or why not? >> and the daca -- daca is somewhat different than dreamers. you understand that, and you understand it better than anybody probably in this room. where do you come from, by the way, originally? >> my grandparents were from russia and poland. >> that's very good. okay. so we are going to take care of

daca. we're going to take care of dreamers. it's working right now. we're negotiating different aspects of immigration and immigration law. we built now over 400 miles of border wall, southern border. mexico's working very closely with us. we have the strongest border we've ever had. we want people to come into our country. this he have to come in legally. but we are working very hard on the daca program, and you will be, i think, very happy over the course of the next year. >> thank you. >> because i feel the same way as you do about it. >> thank you, mr. president. >> mr. president, in point of fact, the daca program, there are under your administration, no new applicants are allowed and in fact the daca recipients have to renew every year as opposed to every two years. so in fact the daca program has been curtailed by your administration. >> what happened is because of the pandemic, much changed on the immigration front. mexico is heavily infected, as you know, and we've made it very, very difficult to come in

because of the pandemic and other reasons, and crime. but we have a very strong border right now, and we have to keep it that way. but we want people to come into our country, but they have to come in through a merit system, and they have to come in legally. and people are very, very happy with it. you haven't heard any complaints about that. but what happened is because of the pandemic, we have to be extra cautious. >> you have been promising this immigration bill since, well, at least july when you told my colleague on telemundo it was coming, but nothing's come yet. >> it's very -- the fact is we got rid of catch and release, which is a disaster. you know, you catch somebody. they could be a murderer. they could be a rapist, and we're supposed to release them in our country. these are the laws i inherited. we ended that program. i think you're going to see something very, very good. the whoelt immigration, if you look at what's going on, people used to pour into our country, and especially during the pandemic, i think you'll be -- i think even you, savannah, will be very impressed. >> we have about 30 seconds

left. i think about people sitting 0 you there tonight. there are some who love you and some who will never vote for you. but there are people in the middle. there are people who aren't sure. >> that's right. >> there are people who want to know why they should give you a second chance and how you might improve in a second term. 30 seconds. what would you say to them? >> because i've done a great job. we had the strongest economy in the world. we closed it up. we're coming around the corner. the vaccines are coming out soon, and our economy is strong. we are at a level with jobs like we've never been before. we've rebuilt our military. we've rebuilt our borders. we had no borders. we had no nothing. we've rebuilt so much. we've given you the greatest tax cut in the history of our country, greatest regulation cut, equally as important. and we created new levels of jobs that nobody thought was possible. and next year is going to be better than ever before. >> i got to leave it there. i got a wrap from the control room. mr. president, thank you for your time. thank you for listening to the voters' questions.

that concludes our taun town hall. we do want to thank the president and our audience in hot miami and all of you watching at home. a reminder, donald trump and joe biden are scheduled to meet in person a week from tonight in nashville, a second and final presidential debate moderated by our own kristen welker. have a good evening and thanks for being with us. well, that happened. thanks for being with us tonight. let me remind you that what you just saw was a production of nbc news. we are msnbc. we did not produce that event. we simulcast it here with along with cnbc, but that was a strange replacement for what was otherwise supposed to be the second presidential debate of this general election season. again, the reason we got here is because president trump dropped out of the second debate. vice president joe biden then scheduled a town hall on abc news. that is